Just finished counter-protesting the “Life Chain” of Muncie, Indiana.
This lady was the star.
We really wanted to make signs that read “Bad Spelling Kills” and “Denim Skirts Hurt Women,” but we could not locate any Sharpies.
The ACLU sued North Carolina for approving a “Choose Life” specialty license plate but “expressly and repeatedly” rejecting a pro-choice plate. The ACLU sued on behalf of four state residents after lawmakers rejected six proposals for plates bearing words such as “Respect Choice” or “Trust Women; Respect Choice.”
Link to article in title.
Good. That shit is blatantly unfair and unconstitutional.
I want this case to become a precedent so I don’t have to see these license plates up here anymore.
Pretend time is fun.
My favorite is the pumpkin. That poor thing has millions of times more cells than a fetus.
What should be done is to give back the human proportion to the abortion issue, and when we see it as such we may be able to have much more understanding for the woman who chooses it. Women who choose abortion are consistently labeled killers, and I personally have been compared to Hitler and called a great murderer.
A woman who feels she cannot go on, and with pain and despair she decides that she has to give up her child, is this woman a killer? Really really. But look, you cannot let these words hurt you. You have to be strong not to pay any attention because those who do that call you a Hitler and relate it to the Holocaust prove that they do not know what the Holocaust was.
Elie Wiesel, famous author and Holocaust survivor on abortion compared to the Holocaust in a 1991 interview :”I Am Against Fanatics”: A Dialogue Between Elie Wiesel and Merle Hoffman on Abortion, Love and the Holocaust
Beginning Sept.28, A Woman’s Choice of Jacksonville will be under siege by a large number of protesters, possibly hundreds, for the 40 days For Life Campaign. We need your help. We are seeking pro-choice volunteers to help escort our patients safely into our clinic and to assist us with any other duties we may need during this time. To find out more, contact us @ email@example.com
Followers in Jacksonville, get out there please!
This is from The Cider House Rules and he’s talking about a woman who had her uterus punctured by a crochet hook.
I’ve said it before, and I’ll continue to say it: If Roe is ever overturned here in the US, I’m applying to med school in Canada, becoming an OB/GYN, and coming back to give women safe abortions in my top-secret basement clinic. And this shit is why: real, live, breathing adults are mutilated and die when abortion is made illegal in the name of “life.”
[Image: a fervent pro-life protester over an eight-piece blue background. A sticker on his shirt reads, “Abortion Isn’t Healthcare.” He is pointing upwards with both hands. Top text: “I’M SO PRO-LIFE” Bottom text: “I HOPE YOU DIE OF ABORTION COMPLICATIONS”]
For this lout.
I’ve written about the methods of legal abortion: procedures performed by licensed medical professionals in a clean, sterile environment, with clean, sterile tools. But what about illegal abortions?
Those who push for more restrictions on abortion access - really, those who push for abortion to be made illegal - seem unwilling to acknowledge the disastrous alternatives. Many who are anti-choice have no memories of what life was like before Roe v. Wade in 1973. We know abortion rates stay fairly steady, regardless of legality. How are these illegal abortions procured? What options are there for those without the money or connections to a discrete physician?
To answer these questions, I’ve compiled a list of methods of illegal, or “back-alley” abortions.
Waldo L. Fielding, M.D. wrote an article for the New York Times in 2008, describing what he saw while working as a gynecologist in New York City from 1948 to 1953.
The familiar symbol of illegal abortion is the infamous “coat hanger” — which may be the symbol, but is in no way a myth. In my years in New York, several women arrived with a hanger still in place. Whoever put it in — perhaps the patient herself — found it trapped in the cervix and could not remove it.
Almost any implement you can imagine had been and was used to start an abortion — darning needles, crochet hooks, cut-glass salt shakers, soda bottles, sometimes intact, sometimes with the top broken off.
Another method that I did not encounter, but heard about from colleagues in other hospitals, was a soap solution forced through the cervical canal with a syringe. This could cause almost immediate death if a bubble in the solution entered a blood vessel and was transported to the heart.
The worst case I saw, and one I hope no one else will ever have to face, was that of a nurse who was admitted with what looked like a partly delivered umbilical cord. Yet as soon as we examined her, we realized that what we thought was the cord was in fact part of her intestine, which had been hooked and torn by whatever implement had been used in the abortion. It took six hours of surgery to remove the infected uterus and ovaries and repair the part of the bowel that was still functional.
A case report from 1911 describes a self-induced abortion using a knitting needle.
In the afternoon the day before her admission she had attempted to pass into the uterus a bone knitting needle…During the attempt the needle broke off short, leaving about half of it inside her body…During the next four days the temperature gradually rose, until on the fifth day after admission it was 102.2 F, and the pulse rate 100. On the evening of this day uterine hemorrhage occurred…and at 6:30 next morning the patient aborted, a fetus some 4 in. in length…The needle had just missed the right border of the rectum, the wall of the bowel being slightly torn superficially…
A case study from 1972 goes into greater detail about the use of a soap solution.
A case report from 1964 describes a woman’s attempt to self-abort with turpentine.
Believing herself to be pregnant she had, on the afternoon preceding admission, injected into her uterus the contents of a rectal syringe filled with turpentine and water. Immediately thereafter, she experienced a sharp burning sensation which “went all through me up to my chest.” This was followed by a convulsive seizure. Two hours later she began to have paroxysms of coughing productive of a bloody sputum.
A case history from 1961 describes two women’s attempts to self-abort with Lysol. One woman survived. The other did not.
The second patient was a 26-year-old French Canadian woman, married, but separated from her husband. She was…3 1/2 months pregnant. She had used a vaginal douche of concentrated Lysol solution 25 hours before admission…On examination there was erythema of the thighs and vulva. Pieces of placental tissue were passed but the abortion remained incomplete. The day after admission renal shut-down became apparent…A full-blown picture of lower nephron nephrosis [acute renal failure] developed rapidly in this case…The patient’s condition deteriorated rapidly and she died on the sixth day in acute pulmonary edema [fluid in the lungs].
Those who got them done by others didn’t fare much better (PDF). (1964)
…this 21-year-old single girl…went to an abortionist who inserted a catheter and wire into her cervix. The wire was removed after four days when chills, fever, crampy lower abdominal pain, nausea, and vomiting developed. Symptoms persisted until she came to the emergency ward with a temperature of 103 F (39.4 C) and a shaking chill…Her abdomen was rigid, with diffuse tenderness and absence of bowel sounds. There was tenderness, also, on pelvic and rectal palpation, the uterus was enlarged with necrotic [dead] tissue extruding from the cervix…She was discharged to her home after 17 days, only to return 10 days later with a temperature of 105 F (40.6 C)…Two days later…a laporotomy was done…and total hysterectomy [removal of the uterus]…She was…sterile at the age of 21.
…this 25-year-old married woman was given a soap-and-bleach douche by an abortionist. Following the douche, fever and chills developed with vaginal bleeding and crampy lower abdominal pain. On admission she had a temperature of 103 F (39.4 C), which rose to 106 F (41.4 C)…an emergency hysterectomy was done, following which she had a cardiac arrest. She was resuscitated, but arrested a second time and did not respond to resuscitation.
Some women attempted to induce miscarriage by drinking poisons such as aloe, ergot of rye, savin oil (derived from a juniper plant), teas made from tansy, pennyroyal, rue, and nightshade, high doses of vitamin C, and other natural “remedies.”
The first time I started to think about abortion was in 1960, when I was in second year medical school. I was assigned the case of a young woman who had died of a septic abortion. She had aborted herself using slippery elm bark…The young woman in our case developed an overwhelming infection. At autopsy she had multiple abscesses throughout her body, in her brain, lungs, liver and abdomen.
I have never forgotten that case.
I will never forget the 17-year-old girl lying on a stretcher with 6 feet of small bowel protruding from her vagina. She survived.
I will never forget the jaundiced woman in liver and kidney failure, in septic shock, with very severe anemia, whose life we were unable to save.
Some women were also told that they could induce miscarriage by undergoing physical stress, such as vigorous exercise, jumping off tables, bellyflopping onto a hard surface, receiving punches, kicks or other blows to their stomachs, or throwing themselves down the stairs.
None of these methods were guaranteed to work. Women would be left injured, ill, sterile, or dead.
Was that hard to read? It should be. That was the reality of pre-Roe America, and for some, it is still their reality. Those who can’t afford abortions, can’t get to clinics, or can’t tell anyone about their situation, turn to these methods, and worse. In countries where abortion is illegal, this is what people are offered.
Lysol, carbonic acid, coat hangers, stairs, and fists are not surgical instruments. Back alleys, kitchens, and motel rooms are not operating rooms.
Regardless of your opinion on abortion, this is what happens when abortion is no longer available. Keeping abortion legal is the only moral option.
This is why outlawing abortion will NEVER be a “pro-life” move. This is why we fight for the rights of uterus-owners.
Great. Another person who knows absolutely nothing about abortion or the people who get them.
1.No, it’s nothing like killing babies. Babies can think, they can feel pain, they can suffer, etc. Fetus can’t do any of that till at least the 3 trimester, if at all. The majority of abortions are done before 12 weeks and most before it’s even a fetus. You may think that killing a born, breathing baby is the same things as ‘killing’ a puny clump of cells that can’t think or fell, but I gaurantee you the baby, who is you know able to actually feel the pain and suffer, sees a huge difference. Right here is what the majority of abortions look like.
Here is when most people get abortions. Late term abortions are ONLY done if the mother will die other and there’s an unviable fetus, OR if theres simply an unviable fetus.
On to more.
The comparison to your parents coming in your room at night and killing you to an abortion is insulting and laughable.Please, tell me what rights the children are taking away from the parents that would justify killing them. I mean it’s so hard to even retorty this because it’s so incredibly laughable.
THINGS YOU CAN DO INSTEAD OF KILLING THEM IF YOU NO LONGER WANT YOUR CHILDREN :
-Put them up for adoption
-Put them in foster care
You are treating fetuses and embyro’s as if they are just chilling in their own space in the world minding their own business and completely ignoring the fact that an embyro is USING SOME ONE ELSE’S BODY. See, we have these things in society called “laws” and “precedents” and what not. The precendent in society is that you can not use some one else’s body against their will. This is called “illegal”. See, if I’m dieing on my death bed, I can’t just decided to take some one else’s kidney. Because that would be disrupting thier right to bodily autonomy and my right to life is not superior to their right to bodily autonomy in any instance. In fact, the right to life isn’t even superior to other people’s right to property or anything. If I’m in a winter storm dieing, I can’t just mozy on over to some one’s house knock on their door and invite myself in against their desires. Because that is an infliction on their right to property and my right to life is not superior to their right to property. If they did throw me out in the cold after I’m in their house, I highly doubt it would be considered murder. All they did was protect their right to property by tossing me out of it. Now, here’s another example. If I’m dieing and need surgery, I can’t hold a gun to a surgeons head and force them to perform it on me to save my life, and I can’t go rob a bank for money to pay for surgery to save my life. Because both of these things are that word “illegal”. If I were to do these things, I would be thrown in jail instead of getting the surgery because I am infringing on the surgeons rights. If I were to rob a bank, I would go to jail and NOT get to keep the money, because I was doing something illegal. And this doesn’t just apply to me. This applies to every person. No one can just go ahead and take away some one else’s rights just to fullfill their right to life because the right to life is NOT superior to other rights. Even if my intent is to save my own life, a very worthy intent I must say. IN each of these scenarios, the end result is my death. However, we don’t call the people who didn’t let me take their rights “murderers” just because they defended themselves and it led to my death. See, These are all things that are the values and morals of society.
Now, what does this mean in abortion? Well let’s take a look!
So, if a fetus were to rob a bank if it was necessary to survive,then the cops would arrest the fetus for doing something illegal because robbing a bank is illegal. The fetus would end up dieing, but yet the cops aren’t murderers because they were just defending other peoples rights to their money.
If a fetus were to hold a gun to a surgeons head in order to save their life, then the fetus would be arrested once again, and would die because of no surgery. Is the surgeon then suddenly a murderer because he refused to perform surgery and called the cops and the fetus ended up dieing?No, the doctor was simply protecting his own rights which the fetus was violating.
Now, if the fetus were take over some one else’s uterus and the only way for the person to protect their rights were to get the fetus out, thus killing it, how is that murder? We’ve established that the right to life is not superior to other rights, and in fact the right to bodily autonomy is more important. We’ve established that using some one else’s body against their will is in fact illegal. So, is this murder? Of course not, to assume so would be ridiculous. This fetus was taking away the rights of another person by doing something against the law, and the person reacted by protecting themselves.
“But person,” You may ask,” none of that makes sense! The fetus doesn’t INTEND to hurt anyone! So it’s ~totally differnet~”
Ah, but intent doesn’t matter ,does it?
I may be sleeping walking and not intend hurt anyone or have any intent at all, but if I’m attacking some one else in my sleep, are they not allowed to defend themselves? Am I not still doing something illegal, regardless of my intent? The law doesn’t change just because of intent; what’s illegal is illegal. It doesn’t stop being so just because of a lack of intent. So, if I am sleepwalking and attacking some one-taking away their rights-and the only way they can defend themselves is to kill me, then that is perfectly fair. I’m taking away their rights. whether I intend to or not, or whether I have any form of intent what so ever. It’s happening. And as such, the person whose rights are being attacked have every right to defend themselves, and if killing is the only way, then that’s perfectly justifiable! Saying that a pregnant person defending themselves against a fetus using their body against their will is murder because a fetus has no intent at all is ridiculous, and the idea that people can only protect themselves if there’s a clear malicious intent is preposterous. The fetus commits an illegal act and takes some ones rights away, then the person can do the only thing to protect themselves: abortion.
“BUT BUT PREGANNCY IS ~NATURAL~”
Why yes, yes it is! So are parasites, cancer, disease, murder,rape,cannibilism, and a variety of other things! How natural something is has no bearing on our society because we do not dictate laws on how natural something is. Giving a fetus a right to some one else’s body because pregnancy is natural makes no sense. Abortion itself is natural. Bison, rats, and dogs are just examples of animals that can abort if the proper conditions aren’t satisfied. Furthermore, like it or not, we human beings ARE apart of nature. Abortion in human beings has existed forever, ever since the first person didn’t want to be pregnant. Back before human beings created civilizations and truly were a part of nature, abortions exist. Thus, human beings aborting is 100% natural, just as pregnancy is.
Now, to continue. The fact that you think vaccuming out a clump of unfeeling unthinking cells from some ones uterus is WORSE then parents sneaking into their children’s rooms in the middle of the night and muredering them is…horrific, to say the least. Those children would have had hopes, dreams, memories, friends. They would have laughed before, cried before, knew joy, knew pain. The thought that them being murdered is at all comparable to an embryo that is incapable of having hopes, dreams, memories or friends, incapable of knowing joy or pain, incapbable of laughing or crying, and actually has cognitive function the same as a plant is horrific. It shows that you do not value human beings for WHO they are. You don’t care about their minds and the unique thoughts in their heads, their hobbies, their flaws. You don’t care that their favorite food might be spaghetti, and they like to draw outside the lines on coloring books and they’re afraid of dogs but love cats. Their personality, their minds, the very ESSENCE of “WHO” is completely and utterly WORTHLESS to you. All that matters to you is that they are made up of human DNA. All you care about is the “WHAT”. You don’t care that a child named Susie liked to skip rope with her friends on weekends and her best friends name is Robby who lives next door and sometimes she likes to play dress up with her cat. You don’t care that her favorite book is “The hungry caterpillar” and she when her mother reads it to her to bed, it’s her faovrite time of day. Because you don’t give a shit about Susie as a person, as an indivudal. If Susie is killed, it’s the exact same loss to you as an emybro being terminated. Because Susie as a person holds 0 value. Susie as a “who” is not important and is meaningless. To you, all that makes susie worth ANYTHING is the “what”. That she is made of human DNA. That’s it. That’s why her murder is somehow comparable to the termination of an embyro whose sole qualifications for “human being” is the fact its made of human DNA. And the fact you think that an embryo’s termination as WORSE then the murder of susie is horrific. Pro-fetus, not pro-life. Because you don’t care about the actual people. The only value they have to you is their genetic code.
Alright continuing on.
“There are so many better things you could be doing rather than killing it off.”
And yet, how many things do you mention?
So much for “so many better things!”
Listen, adoption is an alternative to PA-RE-NTING. Not PR-EG-NA-NCY. If some one does NOT want to let some one else use their body against their will for 9 months, they can’t just give the fetus up for adoption. It’s ipmossible. If they could, i GUARANTEE YOU abortion would be illegal because there’s be no need to end hte fetuses life when you can protect the Uterus owner’s right to autonomy while allowing the fetus to live. But it’s impossible. So abortion is the only other option to pregnancy, still.
Ok, almost done.
It really sucks that you’re older brother was miscarried. It really sucks that your mother was torn up over the miscarriage even though she had wanted an abortion. Chances are, she wanted this pregnancy but couldn’t go through with it for one reason or another.
BUt you need to understand something.
Here, here’s a handy guide:
YOUR MOTHER EVERYONE ELSE
Your mother is not the spokesperson for miscarriage and abortion. Her experience is ONLY hers. In fact, the majority of people who have an abortion feel RELIEF afterwwards, not guilt. It not something the majorityy of people that get one regret. By the way, 1 out of 3 people with uteruses will hav an abortion by age 45.
See, to you, you might see a fetus and see this:
In fact, many people who have WANTED pregnancies mgiht picture that.
But see, when you are pregnant against your will, you will probably NOT see that. Because no matter how much you like to pretend and imagine, that is not the reality. In order to feel a connection to something, you have to want it. And no matter hwo much you want to protest, an embyro is a complete stranger to this person, and people don’t usually just automatically love strangers, especially one that is using their body against their will. Genetic do not mean shit. Peolpe abuse their actual children all the time, give them up, kill them, etc. There is no ~magical potion thing~ that somehow makes people attached to something just because it has the same DNA as them, so as mcu has you want to spout “BAWWW ITS YOUR BABY IT HAS YOUR DNA YOU SHOULD LOVE IT”, reality is that for people experieincg an unwanted pregnancy, this isn’t a child at all. This is an organism that is living isnide them that happens to have half their DNA and looks like a really really tiny shrimp. That’s the reality. And when that shrimp is gone, it’s a rbeath of relief. Because now, they can focus on the children they already have (61% of people who get abortions are mothers) and make sure hteir life is great.
But hey, I guess the person who compares the murder of children in their sleep as being LESS HORRIBLE than the termination of an embryo that has no right to be in the uterus in the first place would know all about not having a heart, so maybe I’m wrong.
[Image description: purple and black alternating diamond pattern in background. At the center is a pissed-off grey and white cat. Top text: “if i’m pro-abortion” Bottom text: “you’re pro-devaluingawomanslifeinfavorofamassofcells”]
Anti-choicers: Teaching little girls that they don’t have control over their own body since…. Ever.
Jill Stanek (anti-choice blowhard): “Aliens want your fetus’s stem cells. I think this stuff is happening.”
From Media Matters (2008 article):
In an April 9, 2007, posts to her website and the Illinois Review blog, Stanek wrote: “The following, if true, is what abortion and the dehumanization of preborn babies has wrought. It is the most despicable outcome of abortion I have ever seen or reported. Yet, if one is ‘pro-choice’ and denies that preborn humans are human, there is nothing wrong with this whatsoever. It can’t even be considered cannibalism.” She then cited a March 29, 2007, Epoch Times article, which reported: “The Next Magazine, a weekly publication from Hong Kong, reported that infant corpses and fetuses have become the newest supplements for health and beauty in China. Not only is the placenta considered a beauty remedy, but also aborted fetuses are much sought after delicacies. In Guangdong, gourmet body parts are in high demand and can even be purchased through hospitals…” After a reader questioned the truth of the claims, Stanek wrote: “[A]ccording to Wikipedia, The Epoch Times is an anti-Chinese-government newspaper. Wikipedia compares The Next Magazine, from whence Epoch got its information, to a sensationalist type paper. That said, Wikipedia is accessible by all to skew, including the Chinese government. And there are good sensationalist news organizations, like Drudge (and even the Enquirer these days), and bad sensationalist rags that boast alien abductions on their front page. But I’ve read legitimate news stories of the Chinese doing strange things with embryos. So I think this stuff is happening. And that last photo in particular looks real” [emphasis added].
Jill Stanek: Making birthers look rational since 2007.
Do it, I dare you. Abortion is WRONG. Pass it on pro-lifers.
Here’s what comes up in the first frame of Google Images:
- Several political cartoons (both pro-and anti-choice)
- This infographic about the dangers of unsafe abortion in countries where it is illegal
- This BAMF
- 2 images that could possibly be of an actual first trimester abortion (90% of all abortions).
- 6 images that are of late-term abortions (<2% of all abortions), which are only legal in cases to preserve the woman’s life/health or in cases of severe fetal abnormality.
I’m still pro-choice.
Now it’s your turn. Google for “back alley abortion.” But don’t click on images this time- I want you to form an informed opinion based on facts.
Click the first link. Read about all of the women who died pre-Roe and all of the women and girls dying now because of restrictions on safe and legal abortion.
Click the second link. It’s an article that cites a peer-reviewed source, confirming what you just read on Wikipedia.
Click the third link. It’s the recollection of a woman who had a pre-Roe back-alley abortion. It’s horrific, and she was one of the lucky ones.
Are you satisfied, or did you bother reading at all? Ok, go ahead and click images. That second picture is of Geraldine Santoro's lifeless body. (Trigger warning for images in that article). She died when she attempted to induce abortion in the fear that her estranged husband would murder her for being pregnant with another man. She hemorrhaged to death, alone in a seedy motel room. She left behind two daughters to be raised by their abusive father.
So what about now? Are you pro-choice, or are you still clinging to the idealogical dogma of sacrificing real, breathing, feeling women for unconscious, unfeeling fetuses? Which of us is truly “anti-life?”